Test Paragraph 4b

[Mike M]

Para 4 - end

firewall and put Online Armor back awhile and see if that makes a
difference. And then with no 3rd party FW. But there are literally dozens of
threads about this or closely-related (DNS resolving) issues on the Be
forums (and I doubt many of those users have a 3rd party firewall).

[David H. Lipman]

From: "Mike M" <***@Corned_Beef.Only>

| Para 4 - end

| firewall and put Online Armor back awhile and see if that makes a
| difference. And then with no 3rd party FW. But there are literally dozens of
| threads about this or closely-related (DNS resolving) issues on the Be
| forums (and I doubt many of those users have a 3rd party firewall).


Oooooooooops....

1~3 and 4b posted.

[Mike M]

Post by David H. Lipman
Oooooooooops....
1~3 and 4b posted.

Hi David,

Yes, No 4 or 4a. however 4a1, 4a2 and 4a3 have all appeared.

Mike

[Mike M]

Post by Mike M
Yes, No 4 or 4a. however 4a1, 4a2 and 4a3 have all appeared.

And lo & behold 4a1 has now been deleted!

Mike

[unknown]

Without analysing further, it's safe to say it's supposedly filtering spam
isn't it. Like a really, really lazy approach to rule making. Does this
reflect the priority almost bordering on contempt they have for the legacy
groups? Or are the still supported system groups also so badly filtered?

Shane

Post by Mike M

Post by Mike M
Yes, No 4 or 4a. however 4a1, 4a2 and 4a3 have all appeared.

And lo & behold 4a1 has now been deleted!
Mike

[Mike M]

Post by unknown
Without analysing further, it's safe to say it's supposedly filtering
spam isn't it. Like a really, really lazy approach to rule making.
Does this reflect the priority almost bordering on contempt they have
for the legacy groups? Or are the still supported system groups also
so badly filtered?

Put simply, those involved at MS simply don't give a damn about those
wishing to use nntp. Support's long since been flushed down the tubes. All
that MS now cares about is Bing Bong, Windows Dead and how many
boxes/licenses they can flog. End users no longer feature in their plans.

As for rule making, those involved know little about rule making and
expressions and when I last had dealings with them were simply filtering on
specific character strings which is why the spammers found it so easy to
return time and time again although I have to admit that MS do seem to have
managed to reduce spam nowadays to a trickle.

[98 Guy]

Post by Mike M
Put simply, those involved at MS simply don't give a damn about
those wishing to use nntp.

What exactly is wrong with you people?

News flash: You don't need to point your news reader to microsoft.com
in order to read and post to these microsoft.public.what-ever
newsgroups.

Try nntp.aioe.org instead.

When microsoft removes windowsme and win98 newsgroups from their server,
those groups will still be active and available on the rest of the
world's usenet servers. And you people will be left in the dark.

[Mike M]

You really are completely clueless aren't you?

Posting to the MS nntp servers is necessary for two reasons:
a) To verify that the MS servers are incorrectly filtering valid posts and
to get that fixed if possible,
b) To ensure that those who use the MS servers are able to read all messages
posted to this NG.

May I suggest you go back to playing with your dolls and in future only post
here if and when you have something useful to contribute.

MM

Post by 98 Guy

Post by Mike M
Put simply, those involved at MS simply don't give a damn about
those wishing to use nntp.

What exactly is wrong with you people?
News flash: You don't need to point your news reader to microsoft.com
in order to read and post to these microsoft.public.what-ever
newsgroups.
Try nntp.aioe.org instead.
When microsoft removes windowsme and win98 newsgroups from their
server, those groups will still be active and available on the rest
of the world's usenet servers. And you people will be left in the
dark.

[98 Guy]

Post by Mike M
You really are completely clueless aren't you?

You're the clueless one, and I'll explain why.

Post by Mike M
a) To verify that the MS servers are incorrectly filtering
valid posts and to get that fixed if possible,

You have the impression that the only place or the only server where you
can read and post messages to this newsgroun is hosted by Microsoft, and
that you must spend your energy to do what it takes so that server
operates correctly.

The reality is that microsoft operates their NNTP server on an absentee
basis. It has never been shown (not at least during the past 10 years)
that any resonsible person can be reached at micrsofot who administers
their server or who is in a position to change, improve, fix how they
operate.

And microsoft is, by far, NOT the only server where you can read and
post messages to this newsgroup. Microsoft does not control these
microsoft.* newsgroups, or act in any way as a central organizer,
aggregator, or maintainer of them. I am making this post via the
aioe.org server, and it is one of many usener PEERS, just as microsoft's
servers are also PEERS. This post that I'm making will be transmitted
between usenet peering servers, and will eventually reach microsoft's
server where it will be accepted and made available to those that read
messages directly from the microsoft server.

If the rules on the microsoft server are faulty or applied incorrectly,
such that the MS server rejects my post, that rejection has no effect on
whether or not other servers around the world will carry my post (they
almost certainly will, with no regard or knowledge if microsoft rejected
it).

Post by Mike M
b) To ensure that those who use the MS servers are able to read
all messages posted to this NG.

It is more pragmatic and practical to simply change your news server
rather than make a futile attempt to engage some anonymous microsoft
sys-admin and get them to realize there is a problem with how they are
administering their servers and get them to fix it.

Post by Mike M
May I suggest you go back to playing with your dolls and in
future only post here if and when you have something useful
to contribute.

You may suggest it, but others reading this will realize that I am
making a logical and effective recommendation as to how to handle this
problem that you and others are experiencing, and that your name calling
and child-like language reflects a juvenille intellect and inability to
discuss technical issues like an adult.

[Mike M]

You really are stupid and simply do not have a clue and know nothing about
how Microsoft manage their nntp servers.

Post by 98 Guy
It has never been shown (not at least during the
past 10 years) that any resonsible person can be reached at micrsofot
who administers their server or who is in a position to change,

Is untrue but then again why waste my time on an idiot such as yourself who
demonstrably knows little and has nothing to contribute. In other words is
a total waste of space and air.

If I simply want to have a conversation with Shane all I need do is e-mail
him or better pick up the phone but then again, you're too stupid to even
understand that.

PLONK

MM

Post by 98 Guy

Post by Mike M
You really are completely clueless aren't you?

You're the clueless one, and I'll explain why.

Post by Mike M
a) To verify that the MS servers are incorrectly filtering
valid posts and to get that fixed if possible,

You have the impression that the only place or the only server where
you can read and post messages to this newsgroun is hosted by
Microsoft, and that you must spend your energy to do what it takes so
that server operates correctly.
The reality is that microsoft operates their NNTP server on an
absentee basis. It has never been shown (not at least during the
past 10 years) that any resonsible person can be reached at micrsofot
who administers their server or who is in a position to change,
improve, fix how they operate.
And microsoft is, by far, NOT the only server where you can read and
post messages to this newsgroup. Microsoft does not control these
microsoft.* newsgroups, or act in any way as a central organizer,
aggregator, or maintainer of them. I am making this post via the
aioe.org server, and it is one of many usener PEERS, just as
microsoft's servers are also PEERS. This post that I'm making will
be transmitted between usenet peering servers, and will eventually
reach microsoft's server where it will be accepted and made available
to those that read messages directly from the microsoft server.
If the rules on the microsoft server are faulty or applied
incorrectly, such that the MS server rejects my post, that rejection
has no effect on whether or not other servers around the world will
carry my post (they almost certainly will, with no regard or
knowledge if microsoft rejected it).

Post by Mike M
b) To ensure that those who use the MS servers are able to read
all messages posted to this NG.

It is more pragmatic and practical to simply change your news server
rather than make a futile attempt to engage some anonymous microsoft
sys-admin and get them to realize there is a problem with how they are
administering their servers and get them to fix it.

Post by Mike M
May I suggest you go back to playing with your dolls and in
future only post here if and when you have something useful
to contribute.

You may suggest it, but others reading this will realize that I am
making a logical and effective recommendation as to how to handle this
problem that you and others are experiencing, and that your name
calling and child-like language reflects a juvenille intellect and
inability to discuss technical issues like an adult.

[98 Guy]

Post by Mike M
You really are stupid and simply do not have a clue and know
nothing about how Microsoft manage their nntp servers.

I never said that I knew *how* microsoft manages their news servers -
only that they do it poorly - if at all.

A significant amount of spam that is posted to the microsoft.public
hierarchy comes directly via microsoft's servers, because the microsoft
sys-admins have not implimented simple filters that detect when the same
user is posting dozens or hundreds of messages- one to each and every
microsoft.public newsgroup over a short period of time.

Post by Mike M

Post by 98 Guy
It has never been shown (not at least during the
past 10 years) that any resonsible person can be reached
at micrsofot who administers their server or who is in
a position to change,

Is untrue but then again why waste my time

Please post a URL showing that a real microsoft sys-admin responded in a
comment or complaint or at least engaged in a discussion about the
microsoft NNTP servers.

If it was worth your time to assert that such a post exists, it's
certainly worth your time to prove the credibility of the statements you
post.

Post by Mike M
yourself who demonstrably knows little and has nothing
to contribute.

How exactly did I demonstrate that I "know little"?

I said that there is a history of inattention and inactivity when it
comes to how microsoft sys-admins administer and operate their server.
You can prove me wrong by posting evidence to the contrary.

I said that Microsoft (or their servers) plays no role in the operation
of these newsgroups on a world-wide basis. You have said nothing
specifically about that statement, so either you are unsure of that fact
or you agree with it.

I am contributing to solving this problem by offering an effective and
simple solution (use a different NNTP server). You offer no viable
solution.

Post by Mike M
In other words is a total waste of space and air.

You are the one spouting hot-air here, not I. I am making concise
statements that I assert are true, you rant like a child and say they
are not true while offering nothing to back up your point of view.

Post by Mike M
If I simply want to have a conversation with Shane all I
need do is e-mail him or better pick up the phone but then
again, you're too stupid to even understand that.

Who is Shane?

[98 Guy]

Still waiting for you to reply to this, Mike M.

Post by Mike M
You really are stupid and simply do not have a clue and know
nothing about how Microsoft manage their nntp servers.

I never said that I knew *how* microsoft manages their news servers -
only that they do it poorly - if at all.

A significant amount of spam that is posted to the microsoft.public
hierarchy comes directly via microsoft's servers, because the microsoft
sys-admins have not implimented simple filters that detect when the same
user is posting dozens or hundreds of messages- one to each and every
microsoft.public newsgroup over a short period of time.

Post by Mike M

Post by 98 Guy
It has never been shown (not at least during the
past 10 years) that any resonsible person can be reached
at micrsofot who administers their server or who is in
a position to change,

Is untrue but then again why waste my time

Please post a URL showing that a real microsoft sys-admin responded in a
comment or complaint or at least engaged in a discussion about the
microsoft NNTP servers.

If it was worth your time to assert that such a post exists, it's
certainly worth your time to prove the credibility of the statements you
post.

Post by Mike M
yourself who demonstrably knows little and has nothing
to contribute.

How exactly did I demonstrate that I "know little"?

I said that there is a history of inattention and inactivity when it
comes to how microsoft sys-admins administer and operate their server.
You can prove me wrong by posting evidence to the contrary.

I said that Microsoft (or their servers) plays no role in the operation
of these newsgroups on a world-wide basis. You have said nothing
specifically about that statement, so either you are unsure of that fact
or you agree with it.

I am contributing to solving this problem by offering an effective and
simple solution (use a different NNTP server). You offer no viable
solution.

Post by Mike M
In other words is a total waste of space and air.

You are the one spouting hot-air here, not I. I am making concise
statements that I assert are true, you rant like a child and say they
are not true while offering nothing to back up your point of view.

Post by Mike M
If I simply want to have a conversation with Shane all I
need do is e-mail him or better pick up the phone but then
again, you're too stupid to even understand that.

Who is Shane?

[98 Guy]

98 Guy wrote:

How's microsoft-server fix job going Mike? Or are you still being
censored?

How's "shane"? Did you get him to fix the problem yet?

Got a nice fan-club going here - but they're not too sophisticated.
They've got a remarkably simple sense of humor - you should work on
that. Doesn't reflect well on you.

Post by Mike M
You really are stupid and simply do not have a clue and know
nothing about how Microsoft manage their nntp servers.

I never said that I knew *how* microsoft manages their news servers -
only that they do it poorly - if at all.

A significant amount of spam that is posted to the microsoft.public
hierarchy comes directly via microsoft's servers, because the microsoft
sys-admins have not implimented simple filters that detect when the same
user is posting dozens or hundreds of messages- one to each and every
microsoft.public newsgroup over a short period of time.

Post by Mike M

Post by 98 Guy
It has never been shown (not at least during the
past 10 years) that any resonsible person can be reached
at micrsofot who administers their server or who is in
a position to change,

Is untrue but then again why waste my time

Please post a URL showing that a real microsoft sys-admin responded in a
comment or complaint or at least engaged in a discussion about the
microsoft NNTP servers.

If it was worth your time to assert that such a post exists, it's
certainly worth your time to prove the credibility of the statements you
post.

Post by Mike M
yourself who demonstrably knows little and has nothing
to contribute.

How exactly did I demonstrate that I "know little"?

I said that there is a history of inattention and inactivity when it
comes to how microsoft sys-admins administer and operate their server.
You can prove me wrong by posting evidence to the contrary.

I said that Microsoft (or their servers) plays no role in the operation
of these newsgroups on a world-wide basis. You have said nothing
specifically about that statement, so either you are unsure of that fact
or you agree with it.

I am contributing to solving this problem by offering an effective and
simple solution (use a different NNTP server). You offer no viable
solution.

Post by Mike M
In other words is a total waste of space and air.

You are the one spouting hot-air here, not I. I am making concise
statements that I assert are true, you rant like a child and say they
are not true while offering nothing to back up your point of view.

Post by Mike M
If I simply want to have a conversation with Shane all I
need do is e-mail him or better pick up the phone but then
again, you're too stupid to even understand that.

Who is Shane?

[David H. Lipman]

From: "98 Guy" <***@Guy.com>

| 98 Guy wrote:

| How's microsoft-server fix job going Mike? Or are you still being
| censored?

< plonk >

[Mike M]

David & others reading this thread including Shane,

It appears that on some occasions Microsoft occasionally listen to their
users and make the occasional change to their newsgroup filters. So on this
occasion it is Mike M 1, doll playing '98 child -999.

Mike M

Post by David H. Lipman

Post by 98 Guy
How's microsoft-server fix job going Mike? Or are you still being
censored?

< plonk >

[unknown]

Well, one way or another that's good news, and ROFL.

Shane

Post by Mike M
David & others reading this thread including Shane,
It appears that on some occasions Microsoft occasionally listen to
their users and make the occasional change to their newsgroup
filters. So on this occasion it is Mike M 1, doll playing '98 child
-999.
Mike M

Post by David H. Lipman

Post by 98 Guy
How's microsoft-server fix job going Mike? Or are you still being
censored?

< plonk >

[Mike M]

Post by unknown
Well, one way or another that's good news, and ROFL.

I never properly finished testing your other rejected posts but to be honest
I don't seem able to drum up any enthusiasm to do so however if you find
that any more of your posts go missing could you please drop me a note and
I'll see if I can get the problem corrected.

Mike - who's feeling particularly cold at the moment. Which crazy came up
with the notion that it's now Spring in the northern hemisphere?

[David H. Lipman]

Post by unknown
Well, one way or another that's good news, and ROFL.

| I never properly finished testing your other rejected posts but to be honest
| I don't seem able to drum up any enthusiasm to do so however if you find
| that any more of your posts go missing could you please drop me a note and
| I'll see if I can get the problem corrected.

| Mike - who's feeling particularly cold at the moment. Which crazy came up
| with the notion that it's now Spring in the northern hemisphere?


Around here we are ready to build an Ark !

[unknown]

Post by Mike M

Post by unknown
Well, one way or another that's good news, and ROFL.

I never properly finished testing your other rejected posts but to be
honest I don't seem able to drum up any enthusiasm to do so however
if you find that any more of your posts go missing could you please
drop me a note and I'll see if I can get the problem corrected.

Sure thing Mike.

Post by Mike M
Mike - who's feeling particularly cold at the moment. Which crazy
came up with the notion that it's now Spring in the northern
hemisphere?

Just yesterday I was thinking - as I was walking to town doing up my coat
and putting my wooly hat on, then undoing and removing half a minute later,
then putting covering up again then uncovering again because when it isn't
showering it is too warm for all that gear - that it really is spring at
last! Then today they were predicting snow on the higher peaks and briefly
it looked like it was snowing here (then I saw that it was more like hail or
sleet bouncing off the gardener's head). I just finished the last of the
fuel and do not plan on getting more before autumn no matter what happens
next!

Shane

[Joan Archer]

Spring what's that, oh yes it's supposed to be warmer isn't it we've had it
all today, rain, wind, snow and sunshine it can't make it's da** mind up
what it's supposed to do. <eg>
--
Joan Archer
http://crossstitcher.webs.com/

Post by Mike M

Post by unknown
Well, one way or another that's good news, and ROFL.

I never properly finished testing your other rejected posts but to be
honest I don't seem able to drum up any enthusiasm to do so however if you
find that any more of your posts go missing could you please drop me a
note and I'll see if I can get the problem corrected.
Mike - who's feeling particularly cold at the moment. Which crazy came up
with the notion that it's now Spring in the northern hemisphere?

[David H. Lipman]

From: "Shane" <facetious'r'.us>

| Well, one way or another that's good news, and ROFL.

| Shane

I still wish J. Eddy was back in the saddle again.

[Mike M]

Post by David H. Lipman
I still wish J. Eddy was back in the saddle again.

You and me both. There would be far less stupid errors such as this and
when they did happen would be fixed much quicker.

Mike

[David H. Lipman]

Post by David H. Lipman
I still wish J. Eddy was back in the saddle again.

| You and me both. There would be far less stupid errors such as this and
| when they did happen would be fixed much quicker.

| Mike


/* Y E S ! */

[John John - MVP]

Ha! ha! ...go play with his dolls! Priceless! You haven't lost your
edge Mike, give them trolls more of those well deserved gems!

John

Post by Mike M
You really are completely clueless aren't you?
a) To verify that the MS servers are incorrectly filtering valid posts
and to get that fixed if possible,
b) To ensure that those who use the MS servers are able to read all
messages posted to this NG.
May I suggest you go back to playing with your dolls and in future only
post here if and when you have something useful to contribute.
MM

Post by 98 Guy

Post by Mike M
Put simply, those involved at MS simply don't give a damn about
those wishing to use nntp.

What exactly is wrong with you people?
News flash: You don't need to point your news reader to microsoft.com
in order to read and post to these microsoft.public.what-ever
newsgroups.
Try nntp.aioe.org instead.
When microsoft removes windowsme and win98 newsgroups from their
server, those groups will still be active and available on the rest
of the world's usenet servers. And you people will be left in the
dark.

[Heather]

YO JJ.....haven't seen you for a long time, and I was giggling over this
FOOL daring to tell Mike he didn't know what he was talking
about........ROFL!!

Mike........you were actually more polite than I would have been........I
deleted that post in the interests of hanging on to a shred of ladylike
behaviour, lol.

JJ......With any kind of luck, heading to PEI this summer, but have to wait
a bit for some medical tests, etc. However, we will probably fly into
Charlottetown and not be down your way.

Cheers.....Heather

Post by John John - MVP
Ha! ha! ...go play with his dolls! Priceless! You haven't lost your
edge Mike, give them trolls more of those well deserved gems!
John

Post by Mike M
You really are completely clueless aren't you?
a) To verify that the MS servers are incorrectly filtering valid posts
and to get that fixed if possible,
b) To ensure that those who use the MS servers are able to read all
messages posted to this NG.
May I suggest you go back to playing with your dolls and in future only
post here if and when you have something useful to contribute.
MM

Post by 98 Guy

Post by Mike M
Put simply, those involved at MS simply don't give a damn about
those wishing to use nntp.

What exactly is wrong with you people?
News flash: You don't need to point your news reader to microsoft.com
in order to read and post to these microsoft.public.what-ever
newsgroups.
Try nntp.aioe.org instead.
When microsoft removes windowsme and win98 newsgroups from their
server, those groups will still be active and available on the rest
of the world's usenet servers. And you people will be left in the
dark.

[John John - MVP]

Post by Heather
YO JJ.....haven't seen you for a long time, and I was giggling over this
FOOL daring to tell Mike he didn't know what he was talking
about........ROFL!!

Yes, I too was having a chuckle when I saw this troll lining himself up,
I thought to myself, "..this shouldn't last too long, well probably see
a knock out punch halfway through round one..."

John

[Mike M]

Post by John John - MVP
Ha! ha! ...go play with his dolls! Priceless! You haven't lost your
edge Mike, give them trolls more of those well deserved gems!

Thanks JJ,

It's very rare for me to feel the need to Plonk someone and actually do it
but on this occasion I have done so with some pleasure. :-)

BTW I've now determined two or three very simple and innocuous English
language character strings that when posted to the MS nntp servers result in
the post being deleted. Others such strings obviously exist but these are
three strings that can and do appear in normal polite text.

[Mike M]

Post by John John - MVP
Ha! ha! ...go play with his dolls! Priceless! You haven't lost your
edge Mike, give them trolls more of those well deserved gems!

My first reply was deleted from the MS servers but did propagate to UseNet.
I've reported it below and double spaced the offensive word that caused it
to be deleted.

Thanks JJ,

It's very rare for me to feel the need to Plonk someone and actually do it
but on this o c c a s i o n I have done so with some pleasure. :-)

BTW I've now determined two or three very simple and innocuous English
language character strings that when posted to the MS nntp servers result in
the post being deleted. Others such strings obviously exist but these are
three strings that can and do appear in normal polite text.

[Mike M]

"reported below" should have read "reposted below"

MM

Post by Mike M

Post by John John - MVP
Ha! ha! ...go play with his dolls! Priceless! You haven't lost
your edge Mike, give them trolls more of those well deserved gems!

My first reply was deleted from the MS servers but did propagate to
UseNet. I've reported it below and double spaced the offensive word
that caused it to be deleted.
Thanks JJ,
It's very rare for me to feel the need to Plonk someone and actually
do it but on this o c c a s i o n I have done so with some
pleasure. :-)
BTW I've now determined two or three very simple and innocuous English
language character strings that when posted to the MS nntp servers
result in the post being deleted. Others such strings obviously
exist but these are three strings that can and do appear in normal
polite text.

[John John - MVP]

Post by Mike M

Post by John John - MVP
Ha! ha! ...go play with his dolls! Priceless! You haven't lost your
edge Mike, give them trolls more of those well deserved gems!

My first reply was deleted from the MS servers but did propagate to
UseNet. I've reported it below and double spaced the offensive word that
caused it to be deleted.
Thanks JJ,
It's very rare for me to feel the need to Plonk someone and actually do it
but on this o c c a s i o n I have done so with some pleasure. :-)
BTW I've now determined two or three very simple and innocuous English
language character strings that when posted to the MS nntp servers result in
the post being deleted. Others such strings obviously exist but these are
three strings that can and do appear in normal polite text.

Yes, some *very* polite posters report that for reasons unknown some of
their posts seem to be filtered. MS might have gone a bit overboard on
the filter... yet you have to wonder why they can't stop a handful of
polluting trolls from ruining the Vista groups... go figure.

John

[98 Guy]

Post by Mike M

Post by John John - MVP
Ha! ha! ...go play with his dolls! Priceless!

Actually - pretty lame.

You haven't lost your edge Mike, give them trolls more of those
well deserved gems!

Oh yes, please hurt me some more. What a joke you people are.

Post by Mike M
It's very rare for me to feel the need to Plonk someone

Oh, was I plonked? I didn't notice.

Maybe that's because only old pharts do plonking.

Post by Mike M
but on this o c c a s i o n

What's the matter?

Is the nntp server that you use run by morons and idiots?

I have done so with some pleasure. :-)

Plonking gives you pleasure?

Here. I plonk you. Did that feel good?

Yes, some *very* polite posters report that for reasons
unknown some of their posts seem to be filtered.
MS might have gone a bit overboard on the filter...

Because the Microsoft usenet servers are run by monkeys.

yet you have to wonder why they can't stop a handful of
polluting trolls from ruining the Vista groups...
go figure.

Because Microsoft doesn't give a rat's ass about their usenet servers.

That's why they have no Windows 7 newsgroups.

They are removing groups from their server, and probably in a year they
will remove all win-9x/me groups, leaving you people out in the cold
because you're too stubborn to use a real NNTP server.

[John John - MVP]

Post by 98 Guy
Actually - pretty lame.

Yes, we all agree that you are pretty lame...

[Joan Archer]

ROFL