Discussion:
Is there still a free AV for ME?
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Smirnoff
2010-05-10 08:23:46 UTC
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Is there still a free version of an AV product that supports ME with
definition updates?

If so, would be grateful for a link.
HRH The Example John Smith
2010-05-10 12:38:18 UTC
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Ironic, since I would say 'not one worth actually running' - but there is
one, doubly ironic because '98 Guy' has mentioned it. Norton Antivirus 2002
can be acquired in various locations - the most trustworthy one of which is
probably: http://www.oldversion.com/download_Norton_AntiVirus_2002.html

This installs fine (obviously you skip registration). You'll find it is
registered for updates for one year i.e. from the date you install it (and
after which it is presumably as easy as it was back then to reset the
deadline). Live Update will do it's thing and get about 75MB of def updates
first time and it will continue to run just as it did when Me was still
supported, updating on a regular basis. I doubt there will be further
program updates, but IMO NAV2002 is likely better than any of the current
free AV software that does support Me.

This is the 'lesser of two evils' approach. FWIW I have scanned this
download with several quality current antimalware tools and it appears
clean.

Wingnut's cousin
Post by Smirnoff
Is there still a free version of an AV product that supports ME with
definition updates?
If so, would be grateful for a link.
Smirnoff
2010-05-10 13:30:15 UTC
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Much obliged
Post by HRH The Example John Smith
Ironic, since I would say 'not one worth actually running' - but there is
one, doubly ironic because '98 Guy' has mentioned it. Norton Antivirus
2002 can be acquired in various locations - the most trustworthy one of
http://www.oldversion.com/download_Norton_AntiVirus_2002.html
This installs fine (obviously you skip registration). You'll find it is
registered for updates for one year i.e. from the date you install it (and
after which it is presumably as easy as it was back then to reset the
deadline). Live Update will do it's thing and get about 75MB of def
updates first time and it will continue to run just as it did when Me was
still supported, updating on a regular basis. I doubt there will be
further program updates, but IMO NAV2002 is likely better than any of the
current free AV software that does support Me.
This is the 'lesser of two evils' approach. FWIW I have scanned this
download with several quality current antimalware tools and it appears
clean.
Wingnut's cousin
Post by Smirnoff
Is there still a free version of an AV product that supports ME with
definition updates?
If so, would be grateful for a link.
Shane
2010-05-15 17:48:23 UTC
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No prob. Incidentally - and if you haven't yourself installed NAV2002 yet -
contrary to 98Guy's assertion, it does not perform program updates. He can't
be as clued as he thinks - which does not sit well with belittling others -
to post that it does, end of story.

I'm just reinstalling NT 4.0 and there are currently 80MB of def updates but
that is all there is. That and Chelsea have just done the double (apart from
anything else, beating the team that knocked out Spurs so ha ha, Noel!).

Shane
Post by Smirnoff
Much obliged
Post by HRH The Example John Smith
Ironic, since I would say 'not one worth actually running' - but
there is one, doubly ironic because '98 Guy' has mentioned it.
Norton Antivirus 2002 can be acquired in various locations - the
http://www.oldversion.com/download_Norton_AntiVirus_2002.html
This installs fine (obviously you skip registration). You'll find it
is registered for updates for one year i.e. from the date you
install it (and after which it is presumably as easy as it was back
then to reset the deadline). Live Update will do it's thing and get
about 75MB of def updates first time and it will continue to run
just as it did when Me was still supported, updating on a regular
basis. I doubt there will be further program updates, but IMO
NAV2002 is likely better than any of the current free AV software
that does support Me. This is the 'lesser of two evils' approach. FWIW I
have scanned this
download with several quality current antimalware tools and it
appears clean.
Wingnut's cousin
Post by Smirnoff
Is there still a free version of an AV product that supports ME with
definition updates?
If so, would be grateful for a link.
Noel Paton
2010-05-16 07:37:41 UTC
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<raspberry>
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webster72n
2010-05-16 18:54:32 UTC
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Post by Noel Paton
<raspberry>
<raspberry>??
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Mart
2010-05-17 06:55:29 UTC
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"Raspberry" - as in 'Blowing a'
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blowing_a_raspberry

Mart
Post by webster72n
Post by Noel Paton
<raspberry>
<raspberry>??
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Shane
2010-05-17 07:09:35 UTC
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Or, more aptly methinks, Mart, point him to Neddy Seagoon! After all, Noel
can probably hear them still, reverberating in the hillsides.

Shane
Post by Mart
"Raspberry" - as in 'Blowing a'
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blowing_a_raspberry
Mart
Post by webster72n
Post by Noel Paton
<raspberry>
<raspberry>??
Post by Noel Paton
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Noel Paton
2010-05-17 10:37:31 UTC
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Ah - that brings back memories!
The Napoleon Piano....
Eccles...
Bluebottle...

OTOH, there's always the Two Ronnies...
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Mart
2010-05-17 18:22:48 UTC
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A buddy of mine has (probably) the whole collection of Goon Shows on
CD'ssssss

The Two Ronnie's? - The Phantom Raspberry Blower
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Phantom_Raspberry_Blower

Mart
Post by Noel Paton
Ah - that brings back memories!
The Napoleon Piano....
Eccles...
Bluebottle...
OTOH, there's always the Two Ronnies...
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Noel Paton
2010-05-17 22:00:57 UTC
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Eggsactly!
I also have some of the early shows, sketches and stuff that didn't make it
onto the published CD's <g> - Torrents do have their uses.

T-14 and counting
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Esra Sdrawkcab
2010-05-18 10:02:30 UTC
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On Mon, 17 May 2010 19:22:48 +0100, Mart <mart <nospam.nospam> wrote:


Note that this topic is more appropriate in afg. (xposted)
Post by Mart
A buddy of mine has (probably) the whole collection of Goon Shows on
CD'ssssss
The Two Ronnie's? - The Phantom Raspberry Blower
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Phantom_Raspberry_Blower
Mart
Post by Noel Paton
Ah - that brings back memories!
The Napoleon Piano....
Eccles...
Bluebottle...
OTOH, there's always the Two Ronnies...
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webster72n
2010-05-17 23:21:09 UTC
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Post by Mart
"Raspberry" - as in 'Blowing a'
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blowing_a_raspberry
I'd go for the 'strawberry' instead, Mart, since I am too fond of
raspberries myself.
Happen to have an assortment in my backyard (2+ acres) to supply me with
enough berries each year for making preserves to last all winter.
And they are about the only thing to thrive, while all attempts with fruit
trees were less successful, for whatever reason.
I hope in Noel's case the <raspberry> wasn't synonymous with <giving the
finger>.
Myself, I don't favor either and probably should have left well enough
alone.
Now I have to check out Shane's lead....

Harry.
Post by Mart
Mart
Post by webster72n
Post by Noel Paton
<raspberry>
<raspberry>??
Post by Noel Paton
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Mart
2010-05-18 07:42:04 UTC
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Post by webster72n
I hope in Noel's case the <raspberry> wasn't synonymous with <giving the
finger>.
Not exactly synonymous Harry. but somewhat milder (childish - lavatorial -
rather than adult humour). But then you already know Noel's (and Mike's)
feelings about anything Norton.

Mart
Post by webster72n
Post by Mart
"Raspberry" - as in 'Blowing a'
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blowing_a_raspberry
I'd go for the 'strawberry' instead, Mart, since I am too fond of
raspberries myself.
Happen to have an assortment in my backyard (2+ acres) to supply me with
enough berries each year for making preserves to last all winter.
And they are about the only thing to thrive, while all attempts with fruit
trees were less successful, for whatever reason.
I hope in Noel's case the <raspberry> wasn't synonymous with <giving the
finger>.
Myself, I don't favor either and probably should have left well enough
alone.
Now I have to check out Shane's lead....
Harry.
Post by Mart
Mart
Post by webster72n
Post by Noel Paton
<raspberry>
<raspberry>??
Post by Noel Paton
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Noel Paton
2010-05-18 09:04:05 UTC
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Norton? - now that *would* necessitate a finger or two!
The raspberry was for Chelsea <ptui>
Still - could have been worse.... could have been Man U, or even Arsenal
<ptui, ptui>

.... which brings Morecambe and Wise to mind :)
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Mart
2010-05-18 09:25:06 UTC
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LOL

Mart
Post by Noel Paton
Norton? - now that *would* necessitate a finger or two!
The raspberry was for Chelsea <ptui>
Still - could have been worse.... could have been Man U, or even Arsenal
<ptui, ptui>
.... which brings Morecambe and Wise to mind :)
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Joan Archer
2010-05-18 15:24:36 UTC
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They don't make them like that anymore :-(
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LOL
Mart
Post by Noel Paton
Norton? - now that *would* necessitate a finger or two!
The raspberry was for Chelsea <ptui>
Still - could have been worse.... could have been Man U, or even Arsenal
<ptui, ptui>
.... which brings Morecambe and Wise to mind :)
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webster72n
2010-05-18 17:43:58 UTC
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Post by Noel Paton
Norton? - now that *would* necessitate a finger or two!
The raspberry was for Chelsea <ptui>
Still - could have been worse.... could have been Man U, or even Arsenal
<ptui, ptui>
.... which brings Morecambe and Wise to mind :)
Now it makes sense... <H>.
Post by Noel Paton
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Noel Paton
2010-05-18 17:56:10 UTC
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WTF? Harry understands 'British' humour?
I'm dreaming.....- or am I dreaming that I'm dreaming.....
Nah - never gonna happen.....
<sleep mode>
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webster72n
2010-05-18 19:02:05 UTC
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Post by Noel Paton
WTF? Harry understands 'British' humour?
I'm dreaming.....- or am I dreaming that I'm dreaming.....
Nah - never gonna happen.....
<sleep mode>
Schlaf, Kindchen, schlaf!
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98 Guy
2010-05-20 02:41:34 UTC
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Post by Shane
Incidentally - and if you haven't yourself installed NAV2002 yet -
contrary to 98Guy's assertion, it does not perform program
updates. He can't be as clued as he thinks - which does not
sit well with belittling others - to post that it does, end
of story.
What I claimed is that NAV 2002 will not perform an auto-update (aka
live-update) on it's own. I haven't seen any installation of NAV 2002
do this for the past 2 to 3 years.

What I've also said is that if you download Symantec's Intelligent
Updater package, it will run and update NAV 2002.

For the package to run, you will need to update your version of Windows
Scripting Host to 5.6, and also update your Root Certificates.

Now what else do you have to say, smart as.s ?

I can post all links to windows scripting host, root certificates and
Symantec Intelligent Updater if you want. Just ask.

Rockytsquirrel
2010-05-10 13:26:58 UTC
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Avast 4.8 still works on ME and does update several times a day..

RTS
Post by Smirnoff
Is there still a free version of an AV product that supports ME with
definition updates?
If so, would be grateful for a link.
HRH The Example John Smith
2010-05-10 17:16:49 UTC
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Post by Rockytsquirrel
Avast 4.8 still works on ME and does update several times a day..
Til the end of 2010, apparently. I tried it but it almost continually popped
up notifications of the new build and as it wasn't immediately obvious how
to turn that off, I uninstalled it.

Frank Windsor
webster72n
2010-05-11 03:44:42 UTC
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Post by HRH The Example John Smith
Post by Rockytsquirrel
Avast 4.8 still works on ME and does update several times a day..
Til the end of 2010, apparently. I tried it but it almost continually
popped up notifications of the new build and as it wasn't immediately
obvious how to turn that off, I uninstalled it.
Not so sure about the end of 2010,
and I don't have the problem with those notifications anymore since I
renewed my registration.
IMHO Avast is still the best.
<H>.
Post by HRH The Example John Smith
Frank Windsor
HRH The Example John Smith
2010-05-11 07:04:50 UTC
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Post by webster72n
Post by HRH The Example John Smith
Post by Rockytsquirrel
Avast 4.8 still works on ME and does update several times a day..
Til the end of 2010, apparently. I tried it but it almost continually
popped up notifications of the new build and as it wasn't immediately
obvious how to turn that off, I uninstalled it.
Not so sure about the end of 2010,
and I don't have the problem with those notifications anymore since I
renewed my registration.
IMHO Avast is still the best.
You haven't tried enough alternatives then, Harry. Incidentally it also
caused problems in 2 or 3 of the systems I installed it on - on which I now
have either NAV2002...or nothing. This is no longer anything to do with the
interface, as I don't give an inverted dos about that when it is on a system
I rarely use. btw I had only recently registered it, on account of the first
key I used was out of date.

Really, if you mean 'the best AV' you're seriously deluded. Personal
preferences aside, Avast! shows the occasional good result in tests but
spends most of it's time at or maybe slightly above mediocre - rather like
AVG, which I used to swear by (as far as free AVs go), but I was never under
the illusion it was 'the best'.

While I still have a little time left on my NOD32 licence, I am migrating to
free Avira - using it here in Windows7 as I type. Once you disable the nag
screen it is pretty good (probably is *with* the nag too if you can stand
that sort of thing). I am undecided as yet as to just how good Antivir is -
though as with all of them it varies over time anyway. Certainly these days,
though, I will go with the German product over the Czech products any day of
the week. Rather like if any version of Linux was polished enough to stay on
a primary here (I just tried Kubuntu 10.04 both on the metal and in VPC and
neither stayed more than 5 minutes, failing as miserably as *buntu always
does except for the too-easily pleased) it would be the originally-German
openSUSE. Though I think Beemers and Porches are a variation on crepe.

Harumph!
Dave Lee Travis Bickle
2010-05-11 07:39:36 UTC
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Oh yes, forgot to add: end of 2010 is the date supplied by Alwil to Jerry
Martin as reported here a month or so ago (which I found by searching, i.e.
if I'd seen the thread previously I might have realised Rocky T had
contributed to it before informing him of what he knew before I did). Though
the question then becomes which is better: to continue using a product that
will be essentially pointless in just over 6 months or switch now to one
that could still be getting def updates for years? With my situation it is
different in that - apart from NOD32 being arguably a lot better than
Avast! - it was paid for, so why not keep using it to the last? Though -
while the 98/ME version of NOD32 v.2 not only still works perfectly well in
Windows 95 (a quality now as rare as what comes out of the back of a rocking
horse) let alone 98 and ME - I continue to run the NT version (of v.2)
mostly to get the def updates for use in portable installations. It is a
shame that those will end when the licence does, but it sure as home isn't
worth the price *just* to keep an updated thumb drive installation.

Stinger is not worth bothering with. I don't know why McAfee do, let alone
the humble user. Their sdat scanner either run from DOS for FAT or from a
BartPE (which can also be run from USB) for NTFS, can't be trusted after the
recent McAfee FP debacle. It is nice to have something other than Sysclean,
but Sysclean is pretty good - if you scan without cleaning, then interpret
the results.

Oh, look at the time!

Toodle-oo!
Post by HRH The Example John Smith
Post by webster72n
Post by HRH The Example John Smith
Post by Rockytsquirrel
Avast 4.8 still works on ME and does update several times a day..
Til the end of 2010, apparently. I tried it but it almost continually
popped up notifications of the new build and as it wasn't immediately
obvious how to turn that off, I uninstalled it.
Not so sure about the end of 2010,
and I don't have the problem with those notifications anymore since I
renewed my registration.
IMHO Avast is still the best.
You haven't tried enough alternatives then, Harry. Incidentally it also
caused problems in 2 or 3 of the systems I installed it on - on which I
now have either NAV2002...or nothing. This is no longer anything to do
with the interface, as I don't give an inverted dos about that when it is
on a system I rarely use. btw I had only recently registered it, on
account of the first key I used was out of date.
Really, if you mean 'the best AV' you're seriously deluded. Personal
preferences aside, Avast! shows the occasional good result in tests but
spends most of it's time at or maybe slightly above mediocre - rather like
AVG, which I used to swear by (as far as free AVs go), but I was never
under the illusion it was 'the best'.
While I still have a little time left on my NOD32 licence, I am migrating
to free Avira - using it here in Windows7 as I type. Once you disable the
nag screen it is pretty good (probably is *with* the nag too if you can
stand that sort of thing). I am undecided as yet as to just how good
Antivir is - though as with all of them it varies over time anyway.
Certainly these days, though, I will go with the German product over the
Czech products any day of the week. Rather like if any version of Linux
was polished enough to stay on a primary here (I just tried Kubuntu 10.04
both on the metal and in VPC and neither stayed more than 5 minutes,
failing as miserably as *buntu always does except for the too-easily
pleased) it would be the originally-German openSUSE. Though I think
Beemers and Porches are a variation on crepe.
Harumph!
webster72n
2010-05-11 17:34:44 UTC
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Hello Shane:

At the time of my posting the 'names game' didn't occur to me.
Since it does now, I shall respectfully regress and live with my choice(s).
You must have quite an assortment of pc's at your disposal.
It is always good to be in touch with you.

Cheers,

Harry.
Post by Dave Lee Travis Bickle
Oh yes, forgot to add: end of 2010 is the date supplied by Alwil to Jerry
Martin as reported here a month or so ago (which I found by searching,
i.e. if I'd seen the thread previously I might have realised Rocky T had
contributed to it before informing him of what he knew before I did).
Though the question then becomes which is better: to continue using a
product that will be essentially pointless in just over 6 months or switch
now to one that could still be getting def updates for years? With my
situation it is different in that - apart from NOD32 being arguably a lot
better than Avast! - it was paid for, so why not keep using it to the
last? Though - while the 98/ME version of NOD32 v.2 not only still works
perfectly well in Windows 95 (a quality now as rare as what comes out of
the back of a rocking horse) let alone 98 and ME - I continue to run the
NT version (of v.2) mostly to get the def updates for use in portable
installations. It is a shame that those will end when the licence does,
but it sure as home isn't worth the price *just* to keep an updated thumb
drive installation.
Stinger is not worth bothering with. I don't know why McAfee do, let alone
the humble user. Their sdat scanner either run from DOS for FAT or from a
BartPE (which can also be run from USB) for NTFS, can't be trusted after
the recent McAfee FP debacle. It is nice to have something other than
Sysclean, but Sysclean is pretty good - if you scan without cleaning, then
interpret the results.
Oh, look at the time!
Toodle-oo!
Post by HRH The Example John Smith
Post by webster72n
Post by HRH The Example John Smith
Post by Rockytsquirrel
Avast 4.8 still works on ME and does update several times a day..
Til the end of 2010, apparently. I tried it but it almost continually
popped up notifications of the new build and as it wasn't immediately
obvious how to turn that off, I uninstalled it.
Not so sure about the end of 2010,
and I don't have the problem with those notifications anymore since I
renewed my registration.
IMHO Avast is still the best.
You haven't tried enough alternatives then, Harry. Incidentally it also
caused problems in 2 or 3 of the systems I installed it on - on which I
now have either NAV2002...or nothing. This is no longer anything to do
with the interface, as I don't give an inverted dos about that when it is
on a system I rarely use. btw I had only recently registered it, on
account of the first key I used was out of date.
Really, if you mean 'the best AV' you're seriously deluded. Personal
preferences aside, Avast! shows the occasional good result in tests but
spends most of it's time at or maybe slightly above mediocre - rather
like AVG, which I used to swear by (as far as free AVs go), but I was
never under the illusion it was 'the best'.
While I still have a little time left on my NOD32 licence, I am migrating
to free Avira - using it here in Windows7 as I type. Once you disable the
nag screen it is pretty good (probably is *with* the nag too if you can
stand that sort of thing). I am undecided as yet as to just how good
Antivir is - though as with all of them it varies over time anyway.
Certainly these days, though, I will go with the German product over the
Czech products any day of the week. Rather like if any version of Linux
was polished enough to stay on a primary here (I just tried Kubuntu 10.04
both on the metal and in VPC and neither stayed more than 5 minutes,
failing as miserably as *buntu always does except for the too-easily
pleased) it would be the originally-German openSUSE. Though I think
Beemers and Porches are a variation on crepe.
Harumph!
Noel Paton
2010-05-11 18:34:42 UTC
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Nah - all it needs is one decent PC and a huge hard drive - Virtual PC does
the rest (and makes it easy to recover from the inevitable faux-pas's (or is
it faux-passes?? - or is that what happens when you get a slap in the face?)
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Joan Archer
2010-05-11 20:09:49 UTC
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ROFL
Better than stepping on toes <g>
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Post by Noel Paton
Nah - all it needs is one decent PC and a huge hard drive - Virtual PC
does the rest (and makes it easy to recover from the inevitable faux-pas's
(or is it faux-passes?? - or is that what happens when you get a slap in
the face?)
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Noel Paton
2010-05-12 03:16:47 UTC
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ouch!
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Dave Lee Travis Bickle
2010-05-12 20:50:39 UTC
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ouch!
Well, now the imploded status of my head is official!
Dave Lee Travis Bickle
2010-05-12 20:49:50 UTC
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Post by Noel Paton
Nah - all it needs is one decent PC and a huge hard drive - Virtual
PC does the rest (and makes it easy to recover from the inevitable
faux-pas's (or is it faux-passes?? - or is that what happens when you
get a slap in the face?)
I'm going to have to read this again when I'm awake. Atm you're just doing
my head in!


Shane
Dave Lee Travis Bickle
2010-05-12 20:48:15 UTC
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Apologies if I came across as unnecessarily abrasive at any point, Harry.
I've been getting the feelimg I was, though I'm too tired now to read back
through and verify that. Anyway, no, all this is on one pc - as I suspect
Noel may have said (but I'll know momentarily). Almost all the systems I'm
running lately or have run are virtual machines. I actually tried installing
some of the older ones to the real hard drives, but they simply won't
anymore! 9x was never entirely stable on the 'this' computer - but since I
rebuilt it (after frying the MB) not even Windows 2000 will install on it!

Shane
Post by webster72n
At the time of my posting the 'names game' didn't occur to me.
Since it does now, I shall respectfully regress and live with my
choice(s). You must have quite an assortment of pc's at your disposal.
It is always good to be in touch with you.
Cheers,
Harry.
Post by Dave Lee Travis Bickle
Oh yes, forgot to add: end of 2010 is the date supplied by Alwil to
Jerry Martin as reported here a month or so ago (which I found by
searching, i.e. if I'd seen the thread previously I might have
realised Rocky T had contributed to it before informing him of what
he knew before I did). Though the question then becomes which is
better: to continue using a product that will be essentially
pointless in just over 6 months or switch now to one that could
still be getting def updates for years? With my situation it is
different in that - apart from NOD32 being arguably a lot better
than Avast! - it was paid for, so why not keep using it to the last?
Though - while the 98/ME version of NOD32 v.2 not only still works
perfectly well in Windows 95 (a quality now as rare as what comes
out of the back of a rocking horse) let alone 98 and ME - I continue
to run the NT version (of v.2) mostly to get the def updates for use
in portable installations. It is a shame that those will end when
the licence does, but it sure as home isn't worth the price *just*
to keep an updated thumb drive installation. Stinger is not worth
bothering with. I don't know why McAfee do, let
alone the humble user. Their sdat scanner either run from DOS for
FAT or from a BartPE (which can also be run from USB) for NTFS,
can't be trusted after the recent McAfee FP debacle. It is nice to
have something other than Sysclean, but Sysclean is pretty good - if
you scan without cleaning, then interpret the results.
Oh, look at the time!
Toodle-oo!
Post by HRH The Example John Smith
Post by webster72n
Post by HRH The Example John Smith
Post by Rockytsquirrel
Avast 4.8 still works on ME and does update several times a day..
Til the end of 2010, apparently. I tried it but it almost
continually popped up notifications of the new build and as it
wasn't immediately obvious how to turn that off, I uninstalled it.
Not so sure about the end of 2010,
and I don't have the problem with those notifications anymore
since I renewed my registration.
IMHO Avast is still the best.
You haven't tried enough alternatives then, Harry. Incidentally it
also caused problems in 2 or 3 of the systems I installed it on -
on which I now have either NAV2002...or nothing. This is no longer
anything to do with the interface, as I don't give an inverted dos
about that when it is on a system I rarely use. btw I had only
recently registered it, on account of the first key I used was out
of date. Really, if you mean 'the best AV' you're seriously deluded.
Personal
preferences aside, Avast! shows the occasional good result in tests
but spends most of it's time at or maybe slightly above mediocre -
rather like AVG, which I used to swear by (as far as free AVs go),
but I was never under the illusion it was 'the best'.
While I still have a little time left on my NOD32 licence, I am
migrating to free Avira - using it here in Windows7 as I type. Once
you disable the nag screen it is pretty good (probably is *with*
the nag too if you can stand that sort of thing). I am undecided as
yet as to just how good Antivir is - though as with all of them it
varies over time anyway. Certainly these days, though, I will go
with the German product over the Czech products any day of the
week. Rather like if any version of Linux was polished enough to
stay on a primary here (I just tried Kubuntu 10.04 both on the
metal and in VPC and neither stayed more than 5 minutes, failing as
miserably as *buntu always does except for the too-easily pleased)
it would be the originally-German openSUSE. Though I think Beemers
and Porches are a variation on crepe. Harumph!
webster72n
2010-05-13 00:50:44 UTC
Permalink
Post by Dave Lee Travis Bickle
Apologies if I came across as unnecessarily abrasive at any point, Harry.
I've been getting the feelimg I was, though I'm too tired now to read back
through and verify that. Anyway, no, all this is on one pc - as I suspect
Noel may have said (but I'll know momentarily). Almost all the systems I'm
running lately or have run are virtual machines. I actually tried
installing some of the older ones to the real hard drives, but they simply
won't anymore! 9x was never entirely stable on the 'this' computer - but
since I rebuilt it (after frying the MB) not even Windows 2000 will
install on it!
After reading Noel's notes I was able to add 2+2 together.
And no need to apologize, we go back way too far for that.
But you frying the MB?
How in the world did you manage such a feat?
Anyway, a decent new MB isn't all that expensive, is it?
If it weren't for the big water tub between us, I might have stopped by and
help you with the repair work.
I am sure you'll get it straightened out yet yourself, so you can install
Win2000.
You've got my complete moral support.
Now I must find out who Dave Lee Travis Bickle Is or was.

Chow,

Harry.
Post by Dave Lee Travis Bickle
Shane
Post by webster72n
At the time of my posting the 'names game' didn't occur to me.
Since it does now, I shall respectfully regress and live with my
choice(s). You must have quite an assortment of pc's at your disposal.
It is always good to be in touch with you.
Cheers,
Harry.
Post by Dave Lee Travis Bickle
Oh yes, forgot to add: end of 2010 is the date supplied by Alwil to
Jerry Martin as reported here a month or so ago (which I found by
searching, i.e. if I'd seen the thread previously I might have
realised Rocky T had contributed to it before informing him of what
he knew before I did). Though the question then becomes which is
better: to continue using a product that will be essentially
pointless in just over 6 months or switch now to one that could
still be getting def updates for years? With my situation it is
different in that - apart from NOD32 being arguably a lot better
than Avast! - it was paid for, so why not keep using it to the last?
Though - while the 98/ME version of NOD32 v.2 not only still works
perfectly well in Windows 95 (a quality now as rare as what comes
out of the back of a rocking horse) let alone 98 and ME - I continue
to run the NT version (of v.2) mostly to get the def updates for use
in portable installations. It is a shame that those will end when
the licence does, but it sure as home isn't worth the price *just*
to keep an updated thumb drive installation. Stinger is not worth
bothering with. I don't know why McAfee do, let
alone the humble user. Their sdat scanner either run from DOS for
FAT or from a BartPE (which can also be run from USB) for NTFS,
can't be trusted after the recent McAfee FP debacle. It is nice to
have something other than Sysclean, but Sysclean is pretty good - if
you scan without cleaning, then interpret the results.
Oh, look at the time!
Toodle-oo!
Post by HRH The Example John Smith
Post by webster72n
Post by HRH The Example John Smith
Post by Rockytsquirrel
Avast 4.8 still works on ME and does update several times a day..
Til the end of 2010, apparently. I tried it but it almost
continually popped up notifications of the new build and as it
wasn't immediately obvious how to turn that off, I uninstalled it.
Not so sure about the end of 2010,
and I don't have the problem with those notifications anymore
since I renewed my registration.
IMHO Avast is still the best.
You haven't tried enough alternatives then, Harry. Incidentally it
also caused problems in 2 or 3 of the systems I installed it on -
on which I now have either NAV2002...or nothing. This is no longer
anything to do with the interface, as I don't give an inverted dos
about that when it is on a system I rarely use. btw I had only
recently registered it, on account of the first key I used was out
of date. Really, if you mean 'the best AV' you're seriously deluded.
Personal
preferences aside, Avast! shows the occasional good result in tests
but spends most of it's time at or maybe slightly above mediocre -
rather like AVG, which I used to swear by (as far as free AVs go),
but I was never under the illusion it was 'the best'.
While I still have a little time left on my NOD32 licence, I am
migrating to free Avira - using it here in Windows7 as I type. Once
you disable the nag screen it is pretty good (probably is *with*
the nag too if you can stand that sort of thing). I am undecided as
yet as to just how good Antivir is - though as with all of them it
varies over time anyway. Certainly these days, though, I will go
with the German product over the Czech products any day of the
week. Rather like if any version of Linux was polished enough to
stay on a primary here (I just tried Kubuntu 10.04 both on the
metal and in VPC and neither stayed more than 5 minutes, failing as
miserably as *buntu always does except for the too-easily pleased)
it would be the originally-German openSUSE. Though I think Beemers
and Porches are a variation on crepe. Harumph!
Dave Lee Travis Bickle
2010-05-13 09:29:15 UTC
Permalink
Thanks for the thought, Harry. I fried the MB same as I did with the last
pc - playing with the BIOS. But this time was about a year ago and yes, a
decent MB is cheap enough but as there were a couple of specs of the
original I didn't like, I got a different one (which almost certainly
necessitates replacing other components to match - which is an excuse to
upgrade them too).

Whereas for a decade I had a VIA chipset, now I have nVidia - inc. onboard
graphics far better than the GeForce card that expired before the MB did and
mainly why I determined to get a new MB which in turn, frankly, is what
tempted me into playing with the BIOS, i.e. the risk of frying it was
acceptable and I think I was counting on it. Not only do I now have SATAII
controllers to go with the SATAII HDs that were already in there, I can run
Aero without needing a seperate card, though the RAM limit is still 2G.

The nVidia RAID is incompatible with DriveImage whereas the VIA's worked a
treat, by which I mean DI could see the drive(s) from DOS, so I'm not using
RAID any more - but being able to use SATAII data transfer more than makes
up the performance loss and the backup regime I've instigated is better for
having two seperate disks instead of two mirrored, and of course I have
twice as much disk space available (though DriveImage from DOS cannot see
beyond 137G - so you put partitions for holding stuff that doesn't need
backing up, there).

There is one fewer IDE controller, so I backed up certain stuff - such as my
mp3 collection (of a year ago), and jpegs etc - to one of the PATA drives,
zero-ed the other and removed them both (which makes room for a 2nd fan). I
lose the useful option of having XP (and/or any other OS) on a PATA drive
disabled in the BIOS. I used to turn the computer off, leave it off for a
good few minutes, turn it back on and go straight into the BIOS, enable that
PATA controller and boot to this 'hidden' OS and scan the disks in everyday
use from that. Even if I had the old HDs in there still, my DVD-RAM is PATA.
Previously I could disable one controller and leave the other enabled. Now
to have a PATA HD in there disabled by default I would have to buy another
DVD burner, though maybe that is not such a bad option (except that I'd
rather build another pc than continue upgrading this one). Currently -
though it is a limited solution - I have an encrypted XP installation on the
2nd disk.

Shane
Post by webster72n
Post by Dave Lee Travis Bickle
Apologies if I came across as unnecessarily abrasive at any point,
Harry. I've been getting the feelimg I was, though I'm too tired now
to read back through and verify that. Anyway, no, all this is on one
pc - as I suspect Noel may have said (but I'll know momentarily).
Almost all the systems I'm running lately or have run are virtual
machines. I actually tried installing some of the older ones to the
real hard drives, but they simply won't anymore! 9x was never
entirely stable on the 'this' computer - but since I rebuilt it
(after frying the MB) not even Windows 2000 will install on it!
After reading Noel's notes I was able to add 2+2 together.
And no need to apologize, we go back way too far for that.
But you frying the MB?
How in the world did you manage such a feat?
Anyway, a decent new MB isn't all that expensive, is it?
If it weren't for the big water tub between us, I might have stopped
by and help you with the repair work.
I am sure you'll get it straightened out yet yourself, so you can
install Win2000.
You've got my complete moral support.
Now I must find out who Dave Lee Travis Bickle Is or was.
Chow,
Harry.
Post by Dave Lee Travis Bickle
Shane
Post by webster72n
At the time of my posting the 'names game' didn't occur to me.
Since it does now, I shall respectfully regress and live with my
choice(s). You must have quite an assortment of pc's at your
disposal. It is always good to be in touch with you.
Cheers,
Harry.
Post by Dave Lee Travis Bickle
Oh yes, forgot to add: end of 2010 is the date supplied by Alwil to
Jerry Martin as reported here a month or so ago (which I found by
searching, i.e. if I'd seen the thread previously I might have
realised Rocky T had contributed to it before informing him of what
he knew before I did). Though the question then becomes which is
better: to continue using a product that will be essentially
pointless in just over 6 months or switch now to one that could
still be getting def updates for years? With my situation it is
different in that - apart from NOD32 being arguably a lot better
than Avast! - it was paid for, so why not keep using it to the
last? Though - while the 98/ME version of NOD32 v.2 not only still
works perfectly well in Windows 95 (a quality now as rare as what
comes out of the back of a rocking horse) let alone 98 and ME - I
continue to run the NT version (of v.2) mostly to get the def
updates for use in portable installations. It is a shame that
those will end when the licence does, but it sure as home isn't
worth the price *just* to keep an updated thumb drive
installation. Stinger is not worth bothering with. I don't know
why McAfee do, let alone the humble user. Their sdat scanner either run
from DOS for
FAT or from a BartPE (which can also be run from USB) for NTFS,
can't be trusted after the recent McAfee FP debacle. It is nice to
have something other than Sysclean, but Sysclean is pretty good -
if you scan without cleaning, then interpret the results.
Oh, look at the time!
Toodle-oo!
Post by HRH The Example John Smith
Post by webster72n
Post by HRH The Example John Smith
Post by Rockytsquirrel
Avast 4.8 still works on ME and does update several times a day..
Til the end of 2010, apparently. I tried it but it almost
continually popped up notifications of the new build and as it
wasn't immediately obvious how to turn that off, I uninstalled it.
Not so sure about the end of 2010,
and I don't have the problem with those notifications anymore
since I renewed my registration.
IMHO Avast is still the best.
You haven't tried enough alternatives then, Harry. Incidentally it
also caused problems in 2 or 3 of the systems I installed it on -
on which I now have either NAV2002...or nothing. This is no longer
anything to do with the interface, as I don't give an inverted dos
about that when it is on a system I rarely use. btw I had only
recently registered it, on account of the first key I used was out
of date. Really, if you mean 'the best AV' you're seriously
deluded. Personal
preferences aside, Avast! shows the occasional good result in
tests but spends most of it's time at or maybe slightly above
mediocre - rather like AVG, which I used to swear by (as far as
free AVs go), but I was never under the illusion it was 'the
best'. While I still have a little time left on my NOD32 licence, I am
migrating to free Avira - using it here in Windows7 as I type.
Once you disable the nag screen it is pretty good (probably is
*with* the nag too if you can stand that sort of thing). I am
undecided as yet as to just how good Antivir is - though as with
all of them it varies over time anyway. Certainly these days,
though, I will go with the German product over the Czech products
any day of the week. Rather like if any version of Linux was
polished enough to stay on a primary here (I just tried Kubuntu
10.04 both on the metal and in VPC and neither stayed more than 5
minutes, failing as miserably as *buntu always does except for
the too-easily pleased) it would be the originally-German
openSUSE. Though I think Beemers and Porches are a variation on
crepe. Harumph!
Dave Lee Travis Bickle
2010-05-13 09:39:18 UTC
Permalink
Oh, yes. Windows 2000 won't install on the new board. It is almost certainly
due to the HCL not matching enough of the H. The installation hangs.
Post by Dave Lee Travis Bickle
Thanks for the thought, Harry. I fried the MB same as I did with the
last pc - playing with the BIOS. But this time was about a year ago
and yes, a decent MB is cheap enough but as there were a couple of
specs of the original I didn't like, I got a different one (which
almost certainly necessitates replacing other components to match -
which is an excuse to upgrade them too).
Whereas for a decade I had a VIA chipset, now I have nVidia - inc.
onboard graphics far better than the GeForce card that expired before
the MB did and mainly why I determined to get a new MB which in turn,
frankly, is what tempted me into playing with the BIOS, i.e. the risk
of frying it was acceptable and I think I was counting on it. Not
only do I now have SATAII controllers to go with the SATAII HDs that
were already in there, I can run Aero without needing a seperate
card, though the RAM limit is still 2G.
The nVidia RAID is incompatible with DriveImage whereas the VIA's
worked a treat, by which I mean DI could see the drive(s) from DOS,
so I'm not using RAID any more - but being able to use SATAII data
transfer more than makes up the performance loss and the backup
regime I've instigated is better for having two seperate disks
instead of two mirrored, and of course I have twice as much disk
space available (though DriveImage from DOS cannot see beyond 137G -
so you put partitions for holding stuff that doesn't need backing up,
there).
There is one fewer IDE controller, so I backed up certain stuff -
such as my mp3 collection (of a year ago), and jpegs etc - to one of
the PATA drives, zero-ed the other and removed them both (which makes
room for a 2nd fan). I lose the useful option of having XP (and/or
any other OS) on a PATA drive disabled in the BIOS. I used to turn
the computer off, leave it off for a good few minutes, turn it back
on and go straight into the BIOS, enable that PATA controller and
boot to this 'hidden' OS and scan the disks in everyday use from
that. Even if I had the old HDs in there still, my DVD-RAM is PATA.
Previously I could disable one controller and leave the other
enabled. Now to have a PATA HD in there disabled by default I would
have to buy another DVD burner, though maybe that is not such a bad
option (except that I'd rather build another pc than continue
upgrading this one). Currently - though it is a limited solution - I
have an encrypted XP installation on the 2nd disk.
Shane
Post by webster72n
Post by Dave Lee Travis Bickle
Apologies if I came across as unnecessarily abrasive at any point,
Harry. I've been getting the feelimg I was, though I'm too tired now
to read back through and verify that. Anyway, no, all this is on one
pc - as I suspect Noel may have said (but I'll know momentarily).
Almost all the systems I'm running lately or have run are virtual
machines. I actually tried installing some of the older ones to the
real hard drives, but they simply won't anymore! 9x was never
entirely stable on the 'this' computer - but since I rebuilt it
(after frying the MB) not even Windows 2000 will install on it!
After reading Noel's notes I was able to add 2+2 together.
And no need to apologize, we go back way too far for that.
But you frying the MB?
How in the world did you manage such a feat?
Anyway, a decent new MB isn't all that expensive, is it?
If it weren't for the big water tub between us, I might have stopped
by and help you with the repair work.
I am sure you'll get it straightened out yet yourself, so you can
install Win2000.
You've got my complete moral support.
Now I must find out who Dave Lee Travis Bickle Is or was.
Chow,
Harry.
Post by Dave Lee Travis Bickle
Shane
Post by webster72n
At the time of my posting the 'names game' didn't occur to me.
Since it does now, I shall respectfully regress and live with my
choice(s). You must have quite an assortment of pc's at your
disposal. It is always good to be in touch with you.
Cheers,
Harry.
Post by Dave Lee Travis Bickle
Oh yes, forgot to add: end of 2010 is the date supplied by Alwil
to Jerry Martin as reported here a month or so ago (which I found
by searching, i.e. if I'd seen the thread previously I might have
realised Rocky T had contributed to it before informing him of
what he knew before I did). Though the question then becomes which is
better: to continue using a product that will be essentially
pointless in just over 6 months or switch now to one that could
still be getting def updates for years? With my situation it is
different in that - apart from NOD32 being arguably a lot better
than Avast! - it was paid for, so why not keep using it to the
last? Though - while the 98/ME version of NOD32 v.2 not only still
works perfectly well in Windows 95 (a quality now as rare as what
comes out of the back of a rocking horse) let alone 98 and ME - I
continue to run the NT version (of v.2) mostly to get the def
updates for use in portable installations. It is a shame that
those will end when the licence does, but it sure as home isn't
worth the price *just* to keep an updated thumb drive
installation. Stinger is not worth bothering with. I don't know
why McAfee do, let alone the humble user. Their sdat scanner
either run from DOS for
FAT or from a BartPE (which can also be run from USB) for NTFS,
can't be trusted after the recent McAfee FP debacle. It is nice to
have something other than Sysclean, but Sysclean is pretty good -
if you scan without cleaning, then interpret the results.
Oh, look at the time!
Toodle-oo!
Post by HRH The Example John Smith
Post by webster72n
Post by HRH The Example John Smith
Post by Rockytsquirrel
Avast 4.8 still works on ME and does update several times a day..
Til the end of 2010, apparently. I tried it but it almost
continually popped up notifications of the new build and as it
wasn't immediately obvious how to turn that off, I uninstalled it.
Not so sure about the end of 2010,
and I don't have the problem with those notifications anymore
since I renewed my registration.
IMHO Avast is still the best.
You haven't tried enough alternatives then, Harry. Incidentally
it also caused problems in 2 or 3 of the systems I installed it
on - on which I now have either NAV2002...or nothing. This is no
longer anything to do with the interface, as I don't give an
inverted dos about that when it is on a system I rarely use. btw
I had only recently registered it, on account of the first key I
used was out of date. Really, if you mean 'the best AV' you're
seriously
deluded. Personal
preferences aside, Avast! shows the occasional good result in
tests but spends most of it's time at or maybe slightly above
mediocre - rather like AVG, which I used to swear by (as far as
free AVs go), but I was never under the illusion it was 'the
best'. While I still have a little time left on my NOD32
licence, I am migrating to free Avira - using it here in
Windows7 as I type. Once you disable the nag screen it is pretty good
(probably is
*with* the nag too if you can stand that sort of thing). I am
undecided as yet as to just how good Antivir is - though as with
all of them it varies over time anyway. Certainly these days,
though, I will go with the German product over the Czech products
any day of the week. Rather like if any version of Linux was
polished enough to stay on a primary here (I just tried Kubuntu
10.04 both on the metal and in VPC and neither stayed more than 5
minutes, failing as miserably as *buntu always does except for
the too-easily pleased) it would be the originally-German
openSUSE. Though I think Beemers and Porches are a variation on
crepe. Harumph!
webster72n
2010-05-13 18:28:56 UTC
Permalink
Post by Dave Lee Travis Bickle
Oh, yes. Windows 2000 won't install on the new board. It is almost
certainly due to the HCL not matching enough of the H. The installation
hangs.
The question now is: fix it or leave it, I suppose?
Oh yeah, and what does 'HCL' and 'H' stand for?
Didn't have too much time for searching, but aren't Dave Lee and Travis
Bickle two different characters?
Hopefully you find it in your heart to excuse my ignorance.

Harry.
Post by Dave Lee Travis Bickle
Post by Dave Lee Travis Bickle
Thanks for the thought, Harry. I fried the MB same as I did with the
last pc - playing with the BIOS. But this time was about a year ago
and yes, a decent MB is cheap enough but as there were a couple of
specs of the original I didn't like, I got a different one (which
almost certainly necessitates replacing other components to match -
which is an excuse to upgrade them too).
Whereas for a decade I had a VIA chipset, now I have nVidia - inc.
onboard graphics far better than the GeForce card that expired before
the MB did and mainly why I determined to get a new MB which in turn,
frankly, is what tempted me into playing with the BIOS, i.e. the risk
of frying it was acceptable and I think I was counting on it. Not
only do I now have SATAII controllers to go with the SATAII HDs that
were already in there, I can run Aero without needing a seperate
card, though the RAM limit is still 2G.
The nVidia RAID is incompatible with DriveImage whereas the VIA's
worked a treat, by which I mean DI could see the drive(s) from DOS,
so I'm not using RAID any more - but being able to use SATAII data
transfer more than makes up the performance loss and the backup
regime I've instigated is better for having two seperate disks
instead of two mirrored, and of course I have twice as much disk
space available (though DriveImage from DOS cannot see beyond 137G -
so you put partitions for holding stuff that doesn't need backing up,
there).
There is one fewer IDE controller, so I backed up certain stuff -
such as my mp3 collection (of a year ago), and jpegs etc - to one of
the PATA drives, zero-ed the other and removed them both (which makes
room for a 2nd fan). I lose the useful option of having XP (and/or
any other OS) on a PATA drive disabled in the BIOS. I used to turn
the computer off, leave it off for a good few minutes, turn it back
on and go straight into the BIOS, enable that PATA controller and
boot to this 'hidden' OS and scan the disks in everyday use from
that. Even if I had the old HDs in there still, my DVD-RAM is PATA.
Previously I could disable one controller and leave the other
enabled. Now to have a PATA HD in there disabled by default I would
have to buy another DVD burner, though maybe that is not such a bad
option (except that I'd rather build another pc than continue
upgrading this one). Currently - though it is a limited solution - I
have an encrypted XP installation on the 2nd disk.
Shane
Post by webster72n
Post by Dave Lee Travis Bickle
Apologies if I came across as unnecessarily abrasive at any point,
Harry. I've been getting the feelimg I was, though I'm too tired now
to read back through and verify that. Anyway, no, all this is on one
pc - as I suspect Noel may have said (but I'll know momentarily).
Almost all the systems I'm running lately or have run are virtual
machines. I actually tried installing some of the older ones to the
real hard drives, but they simply won't anymore! 9x was never
entirely stable on the 'this' computer - but since I rebuilt it
(after frying the MB) not even Windows 2000 will install on it!
After reading Noel's notes I was able to add 2+2 together.
And no need to apologize, we go back way too far for that.
But you frying the MB?
How in the world did you manage such a feat?
Anyway, a decent new MB isn't all that expensive, is it?
If it weren't for the big water tub between us, I might have stopped
by and help you with the repair work.
I am sure you'll get it straightened out yet yourself, so you can
install Win2000.
You've got my complete moral support.
Now I must find out who Dave Lee Travis Bickle Is or was.
Chow,
Harry.
Post by Dave Lee Travis Bickle
Shane
Post by webster72n
At the time of my posting the 'names game' didn't occur to me.
Since it does now, I shall respectfully regress and live with my
choice(s). You must have quite an assortment of pc's at your
disposal. It is always good to be in touch with you.
Cheers,
Harry.
Post by Dave Lee Travis Bickle
Oh yes, forgot to add: end of 2010 is the date supplied by Alwil
to Jerry Martin as reported here a month or so ago (which I found
by searching, i.e. if I'd seen the thread previously I might have
realised Rocky T had contributed to it before informing him of
what he knew before I did). Though the question then becomes which is
better: to continue using a product that will be essentially
pointless in just over 6 months or switch now to one that could
still be getting def updates for years? With my situation it is
different in that - apart from NOD32 being arguably a lot better
than Avast! - it was paid for, so why not keep using it to the
last? Though - while the 98/ME version of NOD32 v.2 not only still
works perfectly well in Windows 95 (a quality now as rare as what
comes out of the back of a rocking horse) let alone 98 and ME - I
continue to run the NT version (of v.2) mostly to get the def
updates for use in portable installations. It is a shame that
those will end when the licence does, but it sure as home isn't
worth the price *just* to keep an updated thumb drive
installation. Stinger is not worth bothering with. I don't know
why McAfee do, let alone the humble user. Their sdat scanner
either run from DOS for
FAT or from a BartPE (which can also be run from USB) for NTFS,
can't be trusted after the recent McAfee FP debacle. It is nice to
have something other than Sysclean, but Sysclean is pretty good -
if you scan without cleaning, then interpret the results.
Oh, look at the time!
Toodle-oo!
Post by HRH The Example John Smith
Post by webster72n
Post by HRH The Example John Smith
Post by Rockytsquirrel
Avast 4.8 still works on ME and does update several times a day..
Til the end of 2010, apparently. I tried it but it almost
continually popped up notifications of the new build and as it
wasn't immediately obvious how to turn that off, I uninstalled it.
Not so sure about the end of 2010,
and I don't have the problem with those notifications anymore
since I renewed my registration.
IMHO Avast is still the best.
You haven't tried enough alternatives then, Harry. Incidentally
it also caused problems in 2 or 3 of the systems I installed it
on - on which I now have either NAV2002...or nothing. This is no
longer anything to do with the interface, as I don't give an
inverted dos about that when it is on a system I rarely use. btw
I had only recently registered it, on account of the first key I
used was out of date. Really, if you mean 'the best AV' you're
seriously
deluded. Personal
preferences aside, Avast! shows the occasional good result in
tests but spends most of it's time at or maybe slightly above
mediocre - rather like AVG, which I used to swear by (as far as
free AVs go), but I was never under the illusion it was 'the
best'. While I still have a little time left on my NOD32
licence, I am migrating to free Avira - using it here in
Windows7 as I type. Once you disable the nag screen it is pretty
good (probably is
*with* the nag too if you can stand that sort of thing). I am
undecided as yet as to just how good Antivir is - though as with
all of them it varies over time anyway. Certainly these days,
though, I will go with the German product over the Czech products
any day of the week. Rather like if any version of Linux was
polished enough to stay on a primary here (I just tried Kubuntu
10.04 both on the metal and in VPC and neither stayed more than 5
minutes, failing as miserably as *buntu always does except for
the too-easily pleased) it would be the originally-German
openSUSE. Though I think Beemers and Porches are a variation on
crepe. Harumph!
Hironimus Potroast
2010-05-13 19:13:01 UTC
Permalink
The Hardware Compatibility List (and the Hardware). NT versions have this
list - I suppose you'd call it a database - off hardware compatible with the
OS. Obviously nothing later than the OS is on there. It can cause problems,
though it's such a long time since I had them that I don't recall the
details. But with hardware nigh on 10 years newer than the OS it can be
difficult to get to where you can install the drivers required to run it.
Particularly when, as even with XP, you need a floppy to supply them during
installation. I have an XP disc I built for installing the VIA raid drivers
automatically, but I can't be bothered for Windows 2000, which isn't in any
sense necessary and it would require finding out what hardware is the
problem in the first place (and maybe it isn't just one component either!),
if indeed it could be 'fixed'. I don't have enough time to spare to look on
it as a challenge so that is that.

Dave Lee Travis and Travis Bickle. I did a search on the name to see what
you would find only to find someone has already done that one! I am
mortified. But that is the internet for you, helps you see your true
insignificance in the universe, creatively-speaking. So, I'm someone else
now. Can't remember who though!

Mr Moonlight
Post by webster72n
Post by Dave Lee Travis Bickle
Oh, yes. Windows 2000 won't install on the new board. It is almost
certainly due to the HCL not matching enough of the H. The
installation hangs.
The question now is: fix it or leave it, I suppose?
Oh yeah, and what does 'HCL' and 'H' stand for?
Didn't have too much time for searching, but aren't Dave Lee and
Travis Bickle two different characters?
Hopefully you find it in your heart to excuse my ignorance.
Harry.
Post by Dave Lee Travis Bickle
Post by Dave Lee Travis Bickle
Thanks for the thought, Harry. I fried the MB same as I did with the
last pc - playing with the BIOS. But this time was about a year ago
and yes, a decent MB is cheap enough but as there were a couple of
specs of the original I didn't like, I got a different one (which
almost certainly necessitates replacing other components to match -
which is an excuse to upgrade them too).
Whereas for a decade I had a VIA chipset, now I have nVidia - inc.
onboard graphics far better than the GeForce card that expired
before the MB did and mainly why I determined to get a new MB which
in turn, frankly, is what tempted me into playing with the BIOS,
i.e. the risk of frying it was acceptable and I think I was
counting on it. Not only do I now have SATAII controllers to go
with the SATAII HDs that were already in there, I can run Aero
without needing a seperate card, though the RAM limit is still 2G.
The nVidia RAID is incompatible with DriveImage whereas the VIA's
worked a treat, by which I mean DI could see the drive(s) from DOS,
so I'm not using RAID any more - but being able to use SATAII data
transfer more than makes up the performance loss and the backup
regime I've instigated is better for having two seperate disks
instead of two mirrored, and of course I have twice as much disk
space available (though DriveImage from DOS cannot see beyond 137G -
so you put partitions for holding stuff that doesn't need backing
up, there).
There is one fewer IDE controller, so I backed up certain stuff -
such as my mp3 collection (of a year ago), and jpegs etc - to one of
the PATA drives, zero-ed the other and removed them both (which
makes room for a 2nd fan). I lose the useful option of having XP
(and/or any other OS) on a PATA drive disabled in the BIOS. I used
to turn the computer off, leave it off for a good few minutes, turn
it back on and go straight into the BIOS, enable that PATA
controller and boot to this 'hidden' OS and scan the disks in
everyday use from that. Even if I had the old HDs in there still,
my DVD-RAM is PATA. Previously I could disable one controller and
leave the other enabled. Now to have a PATA HD in there disabled by
default I would have to buy another DVD burner, though maybe that
is not such a bad option (except that I'd rather build another pc
than continue upgrading this one). Currently - though it is a
limited solution - I have an encrypted XP installation on the 2nd
disk. Shane
Post by webster72n
Post by Dave Lee Travis Bickle
Apologies if I came across as unnecessarily abrasive at any point,
Harry. I've been getting the feelimg I was, though I'm too tired
now to read back through and verify that. Anyway, no, all this is
on one pc - as I suspect Noel may have said (but I'll know
momentarily). Almost all the systems I'm running lately or have
run are virtual machines. I actually tried installing some of the
older ones to the real hard drives, but they simply won't
anymore! 9x was never entirely stable on the 'this' computer -
but since I rebuilt it (after frying the MB) not even Windows
2000 will install on it!
After reading Noel's notes I was able to add 2+2 together.
And no need to apologize, we go back way too far for that.
But you frying the MB?
How in the world did you manage such a feat?
Anyway, a decent new MB isn't all that expensive, is it?
If it weren't for the big water tub between us, I might have
stopped by and help you with the repair work.
I am sure you'll get it straightened out yet yourself, so you can
install Win2000.
You've got my complete moral support.
Now I must find out who Dave Lee Travis Bickle Is or was.
Chow,
Harry.
Post by Dave Lee Travis Bickle
Shane
Post by webster72n
At the time of my posting the 'names game' didn't occur to me.
Since it does now, I shall respectfully regress and live with my
choice(s). You must have quite an assortment of pc's at your
disposal. It is always good to be in touch with you.
Cheers,
Harry.
Post by Dave Lee Travis Bickle
Oh yes, forgot to add: end of 2010 is the date supplied by Alwil
to Jerry Martin as reported here a month or so ago (which I
found by searching, i.e. if I'd seen the thread previously I might
have realised Rocky T had contributed to it before informing
him of what he knew before I did). Though the question then becomes
which is better: to continue using a product that will be
essentially pointless in just over 6 months or switch now to
one that could still be getting def updates for years? With my
situation it is different in that - apart from NOD32 being
arguably a lot better than Avast! - it was paid for, so why not
keep using it to the last? Though - while the 98/ME version of NOD32
v.2 not only
still works perfectly well in Windows 95 (a quality now as rare
as what comes out of the back of a rocking horse) let alone 98
and ME - I continue to run the NT version (of v.2) mostly to
get the def updates for use in portable installations. It is a
shame that those will end when the licence does, but it sure as home isn't
worth the price *just* to keep an updated thumb drive
installation. Stinger is not worth bothering with. I don't know
why McAfee do, let alone the humble user. Their sdat scanner
either run from DOS for
FAT or from a BartPE (which can also be run from USB) for NTFS,
can't be trusted after the recent McAfee FP debacle. It is nice
to have something other than Sysclean, but Sysclean is pretty
good - if you scan without cleaning, then interpret the results.
Oh, look at the time!
Toodle-oo!
Post by HRH The Example John Smith
Post by webster72n
Post by HRH The Example John Smith
Post by Rockytsquirrel
Avast 4.8 still works on ME and does update several times a day..
Til the end of 2010, apparently. I tried it but it almost
continually popped up notifications of the new build and as
it wasn't immediately obvious how to turn that off, I
uninstalled it.
Not so sure about the end of 2010,
and I don't have the problem with those notifications anymore
since I renewed my registration.
IMHO Avast is still the best.
You haven't tried enough alternatives then, Harry. Incidentally
it also caused problems in 2 or 3 of the systems I installed it
on - on which I now have either NAV2002...or nothing. This is
no longer anything to do with the interface, as I don't give an
inverted dos about that when it is on a system I rarely use.
btw I had only recently registered it, on account of the first
key I used was out of date. Really, if you mean 'the best AV'
you're seriously
deluded. Personal
preferences aside, Avast! shows the occasional good result in
tests but spends most of it's time at or maybe slightly above
mediocre - rather like AVG, which I used to swear by (as far as
free AVs go), but I was never under the illusion it was 'the
best'. While I still have a little time left on my NOD32
licence, I am migrating to free Avira - using it here in
Windows7 as I type. Once you disable the nag screen it is
pretty good (probably is
*with* the nag too if you can stand that sort of thing). I am
undecided as yet as to just how good Antivir is - though as
with all of them it varies over time anyway. Certainly these
days, though, I will go with the German product over the Czech
products any day of the week. Rather like if any version of
Linux was polished enough to stay on a primary here (I just
tried Kubuntu 10.04 both on the metal and in VPC and neither stayed
more
than 5 minutes, failing as miserably as *buntu always does
except for the too-easily pleased) it would be the
originally-German openSUSE. Though I think Beemers and Porches
are a variation on crepe. Harumph!
webster72n
2010-05-13 20:05:26 UTC
Permalink
Post by Hironimus Potroast
The Hardware Compatibility List (and the Hardware). NT versions have this
list - I suppose you'd call it a database - off hardware compatible with
the OS. Obviously nothing later than the OS is on there. It can cause
problems, though it's such a long time since I had them that I don't
recall the details. But with hardware nigh on 10 years newer than the OS
it can be difficult to get to where you can install the drivers required
to run it. Particularly when, as even with XP, you need a floppy to supply
them during installation. I have an XP disc I built for installing the VIA
raid drivers automatically, but I can't be bothered for Windows 2000,
which isn't in any sense necessary and it would require finding out what
hardware is the problem in the first place (and maybe it isn't just one
component either!), if indeed it could be 'fixed'. I don't have enough
time to spare to look on it as a challenge so that is that.
Seems logical...
Post by Hironimus Potroast
Dave Lee Travis and Travis Bickle. I did a search on the name to see what
you would find only to find someone has already done that one! I am
mortified. But that is the internet for you, helps you see your true
insignificance in the universe, creatively-speaking. So, I'm someone else
now. Can't remember who though!
Mr Moonlight
I've always found the moon intriguing, even though I don't know why.

<H>.
Post by Hironimus Potroast
Post by webster72n
Post by Dave Lee Travis Bickle
Oh, yes. Windows 2000 won't install on the new board. It is almost
certainly due to the HCL not matching enough of the H. The
installation hangs.
The question now is: fix it or leave it, I suppose?
Oh yeah, and what does 'HCL' and 'H' stand for?
Didn't have too much time for searching, but aren't Dave Lee and
Travis Bickle two different characters?
Hopefully you find it in your heart to excuse my ignorance.
Harry.
Post by Dave Lee Travis Bickle
Post by Dave Lee Travis Bickle
Thanks for the thought, Harry. I fried the MB same as I did with the
last pc - playing with the BIOS. But this time was about a year ago
and yes, a decent MB is cheap enough but as there were a couple of
specs of the original I didn't like, I got a different one (which
almost certainly necessitates replacing other components to match -
which is an excuse to upgrade them too).
Whereas for a decade I had a VIA chipset, now I have nVidia - inc.
onboard graphics far better than the GeForce card that expired
before the MB did and mainly why I determined to get a new MB which
in turn, frankly, is what tempted me into playing with the BIOS,
i.e. the risk of frying it was acceptable and I think I was
counting on it. Not only do I now have SATAII controllers to go
with the SATAII HDs that were already in there, I can run Aero
without needing a seperate card, though the RAM limit is still 2G.
The nVidia RAID is incompatible with DriveImage whereas the VIA's
worked a treat, by which I mean DI could see the drive(s) from DOS,
so I'm not using RAID any more - but being able to use SATAII data
transfer more than makes up the performance loss and the backup
regime I've instigated is better for having two seperate disks
instead of two mirrored, and of course I have twice as much disk
space available (though DriveImage from DOS cannot see beyond 137G -
so you put partitions for holding stuff that doesn't need backing
up, there).
There is one fewer IDE controller, so I backed up certain stuff -
such as my mp3 collection (of a year ago), and jpegs etc - to one of
the PATA drives, zero-ed the other and removed them both (which
makes room for a 2nd fan). I lose the useful option of having XP
(and/or any other OS) on a PATA drive disabled in the BIOS. I used
to turn the computer off, leave it off for a good few minutes, turn
it back on and go straight into the BIOS, enable that PATA
controller and boot to this 'hidden' OS and scan the disks in
everyday use from that. Even if I had the old HDs in there still,
my DVD-RAM is PATA. Previously I could disable one controller and
leave the other enabled. Now to have a PATA HD in there disabled by
default I would have to buy another DVD burner, though maybe that
is not such a bad option (except that I'd rather build another pc
than continue upgrading this one). Currently - though it is a
limited solution - I have an encrypted XP installation on the 2nd
disk. Shane
Post by webster72n
Post by Dave Lee Travis Bickle
Apologies if I came across as unnecessarily abrasive at any point,
Harry. I've been getting the feelimg I was, though I'm too tired
now to read back through and verify that. Anyway, no, all this is
on one pc - as I suspect Noel may have said (but I'll know
momentarily). Almost all the systems I'm running lately or have
run are virtual machines. I actually tried installing some of the
older ones to the real hard drives, but they simply won't
anymore! 9x was never entirely stable on the 'this' computer -
but since I rebuilt it (after frying the MB) not even Windows
2000 will install on it!
After reading Noel's notes I was able to add 2+2 together.
And no need to apologize, we go back way too far for that.
But you frying the MB?
How in the world did you manage such a feat?
Anyway, a decent new MB isn't all that expensive, is it?
If it weren't for the big water tub between us, I might have
stopped by and help you with the repair work.
I am sure you'll get it straightened out yet yourself, so you can
install Win2000.
You've got my complete moral support.
Now I must find out who Dave Lee Travis Bickle Is or was.
Chow,
Harry.
Post by Dave Lee Travis Bickle
Shane
Post by webster72n
At the time of my posting the 'names game' didn't occur to me.
Since it does now, I shall respectfully regress and live with my
choice(s). You must have quite an assortment of pc's at your
disposal. It is always good to be in touch with you.
Cheers,
Harry.
Post by Dave Lee Travis Bickle
Oh yes, forgot to add: end of 2010 is the date supplied by Alwil
to Jerry Martin as reported here a month or so ago (which I
found by searching, i.e. if I'd seen the thread previously I might
have realised Rocky T had contributed to it before informing
him of what he knew before I did). Though the question then becomes
which is better: to continue using a product that will be
essentially pointless in just over 6 months or switch now to
one that could still be getting def updates for years? With my
situation it is different in that - apart from NOD32 being
arguably a lot better than Avast! - it was paid for, so why not
keep using it to the last? Though - while the 98/ME version of
NOD32 v.2 not only
still works perfectly well in Windows 95 (a quality now as rare
as what comes out of the back of a rocking horse) let alone 98
and ME - I continue to run the NT version (of v.2) mostly to
get the def updates for use in portable installations. It is a
shame that those will end when the licence does, but it sure as home isn't
worth the price *just* to keep an updated thumb drive
installation. Stinger is not worth bothering with. I don't know
why McAfee do, let alone the humble user. Their sdat scanner
either run from DOS for
FAT or from a BartPE (which can also be run from USB) for NTFS,
can't be trusted after the recent McAfee FP debacle. It is nice
to have something other than Sysclean, but Sysclean is pretty
good - if you scan without cleaning, then interpret the results.
Oh, look at the time!
Toodle-oo!
Post by HRH The Example John Smith
Post by webster72n
Post by HRH The Example John Smith
Post by Rockytsquirrel
Avast 4.8 still works on ME and does update several times a day..
Til the end of 2010, apparently. I tried it but it almost
continually popped up notifications of the new build and as
it wasn't immediately obvious how to turn that off, I
uninstalled it.
Not so sure about the end of 2010,
and I don't have the problem with those notifications anymore
since I renewed my registration.
IMHO Avast is still the best.
You haven't tried enough alternatives then, Harry. Incidentally
it also caused problems in 2 or 3 of the systems I installed it
on - on which I now have either NAV2002...or nothing. This is
no longer anything to do with the interface, as I don't give an
inverted dos about that when it is on a system I rarely use.
btw I had only recently registered it, on account of the first
key I used was out of date. Really, if you mean 'the best AV'
you're seriously
deluded. Personal
preferences aside, Avast! shows the occasional good result in
tests but spends most of it's time at or maybe slightly above
mediocre - rather like AVG, which I used to swear by (as far as
free AVs go), but I was never under the illusion it was 'the
best'. While I still have a little time left on my NOD32
licence, I am migrating to free Avira - using it here in
Windows7 as I type. Once you disable the nag screen it is
pretty good (probably is
*with* the nag too if you can stand that sort of thing). I am
undecided as yet as to just how good Antivir is - though as
with all of them it varies over time anyway. Certainly these
days, though, I will go with the German product over the Czech
products any day of the week. Rather like if any version of
Linux was polished enough to stay on a primary here (I just
tried Kubuntu 10.04 both on the metal and in VPC and neither
stayed more
than 5 minutes, failing as miserably as *buntu always does
except for the too-easily pleased) it would be the
originally-German openSUSE. Though I think Beemers and Porches
are a variation on crepe. Harumph!
Noel Paton
2010-05-13 20:41:10 UTC
Permalink
Surely that should be
Heironymus
??
... or is that also a load of bosch?
--
Noel Paton
CrashFixPC

Nil Carborundum Illegitemi
www.crashfixpc.co.uk
Hironimus Potroast
2010-05-14 15:46:46 UTC
Permalink
Post by Noel Paton
Surely that should be
Heironymus
??
... or is that also a load of bosch?
I think you might have something there. I blame my parents.

Also, I mean the HAL, don't I. Why when I try to install Win2k it says "I'm
afraid I can't do that, Shane". Which came first, the chicken or the egg? A.
The Hardware Abstraction Layer.

My ol' Laverda had a Bosch alternator. It didn't begin charging until 3500
rpm, which was 70mph in top. So, at night you weren't actually meant to ride
at legal speeds, ever. Though I suspect that was the fault of Laverda for
choosing to fit it rather than Bosch for astonishingly-bad design. Sure was
a blast though!
Noel Paton
2010-05-14 16:41:15 UTC
Permalink
I suspect it was the gearing or spindle-size used that caused the problem -
if the alternator was run of a slightly larger spindle, the speed required
would have been reduced in proportion - so it was Laverda's design error,
rather than Bosch's.
I'll bet it was fun trying to keep the headlight going! (I assume we're
talking bikes here, rather than combine harvesters? - I just had this
vision.....)
--
Noel Paton
CrashFixPC

Nil Carborundum Illegitemi
www.crashfixpc.co.uk
Hironimus Potroast
2010-05-14 17:52:12 UTC
Permalink
Post by Noel Paton
I suspect it was the gearing or spindle-size used that caused the
problem - if the alternator was run of a slightly larger spindle, the
speed required would have been reduced in proportion - so it was
Laverda's design error, rather than Bosch's.
No, no gearing, it was mounted directly on the crankshaft.
Post by Noel Paton
I'll bet it was fun trying to keep the headlight going! (I assume
we're talking bikes here, rather than combine harvesters? - I just
had this vision.....)
Yes, I remember my surprise watching the movie about the assassin - I get
the feeling it was James Coburn - visiting the retired predecessor Sterling
Hayden who has a farm (in Italy?) and is driving a Laverda tractor. But,
yes, bikes; specifically the 140mph Jota 180 (the original 'muscle bike').
And being a 180 - that is, 180 deg. crank which meant serious vibration
(being a triple, the 120 deg. arrangement as with the BSA Rocket 3/Triumph
Trident would have been exceptionally smooth, but originally they opted for
180, which made it more like a 1.5 650 Bonnevilles and joined the ranks of
bikes whose components would vibrate loose and drop off or would fracture. A
year or two after my model they redesigned it to have a 120 deg. crank but
tamed it somewhat in the process and I wouldn't want one - whereas I feel
the 180 is a bike I should have again while I still can). Anyway, one time
the petrol tank vibrated through the stupidly routed wiring harness and
shorted out the power lead. Coming back (to Basingstoke) from London late
one night - alone, apart from my gf on the back - the bike died just south
of Blackbushe, on the A30. This is about midnight, December, nowhere near a
streetlight, effectively in the middle of nowhere (could have walked to
Hartley Wintney but nothing would have been open). First I had to figure out
what was wrong, in total darkness. You can figure a certain amount from e.g.
that the headlight is dead - which otherwise I'd have removed from the shell
and pointed at the bike so I could see something. As it was I had to do it
by feel. I seem to recall getting an inkling but as I couldn't see for
sure...so figured I better try to start the bike and if so, rev it to at
least 3500 to keep it running, jump on and get back home like the proverbial
bat! The Jota is a high compression 1000cc massively over-engineered motor
that even a brand new fully-charged battery struggles to turn. Naturally
there is no kickstart and for that even today I thank the FSM. So it was
bump it or walk. Wonder of wonders I did manage to bump it, and I doubt
anyone remained asleep in Hartley Wintney or Hook as we went through that
night (it is a very loud bike, exemplary of the Italian production racer put
on the road with the minimum of legal niceties).

I once got back (to Basingstoke) from Henley-in-Arden, just south of
Solihull, again at about midnight, along the old A34 (fabulous biking road!)
in driving rain, in about an hour (on the Jota). I forget whether I had
Pirelli Phantoms or Michelins - the former I think - but it also helps to
have Italian handling. But whichever it is a remarkeable feat, I think, if
you care to work out the average speed and bear in mind that the old A34 -
between Brum and Woodstock - is a wonderfully windy road going through the
likes of Stratford-Upon-Avon, Shipston-on-Stour and several small villages
and there is no way in hell I went through *those* at that average speed. I
set out - from my aunt and uncle's - intending to try not to drop below
90mph except where it was unavoidable. Incidentally, I was still courier-ing
(?) at the time. This was when I would over/undertake vehicles on the M25 by
squeezing between them at 125mph.

One time - on the Jota - I was stopped in Churchill Way, Basingstoke, having
been clocked at 90mph under the town centre and I genuinely had no idea I
was going that fast! Another time I got pulled heading out of the New Forest
towards Bournemouth under-taking (almost appropriate) a traffic jam. The
bike cop said I was going too fast for a reading - but as they knew I was
doing over 70...Amazingly I escaped automatic bans the entire two years of
courier-ing, though I did get to where one more speeding ticket and I would
have been banned. After I quit that career came time to take stock and I
found I couldn't justify riding like that, and stopped. On Ilkley Moor Bah
Tat! it was a thrill, but one lost to Evolution.
webster72n
2010-05-14 19:40:25 UTC
Permalink
Hironimus Bosch Beta, Aux. is one thing and Pot Roast quite another, with me
preferring the pot roast @ 16.99 for 4.
I'm beginning to understand the moon theory.
Don't be too harsh, some take a bit longer to get there, as long as they do.
Obviously you had enough cents (or is it sense?) to avoid the two-year
suspension.
"For he's a jolly good fellow..."
Top Hat,

Harry.
Post by Hironimus Potroast
Post by Noel Paton
I suspect it was the gearing or spindle-size used that caused the
problem - if the alternator was run of a slightly larger spindle, the
speed required would have been reduced in proportion - so it was
Laverda's design error, rather than Bosch's.
No, no gearing, it was mounted directly on the crankshaft.
Post by Noel Paton
I'll bet it was fun trying to keep the headlight going! (I assume
we're talking bikes here, rather than combine harvesters? - I just
had this vision.....)
Yes, I remember my surprise watching the movie about the assassin - I get
the feeling it was James Coburn - visiting the retired predecessor Sterling
Hayden who has a farm (in Italy?) and is driving a Laverda tractor. But,
yes, bikes; specifically the 140mph Jota 180 (the original 'muscle bike').
And being a 180 - that is, 180 deg. crank which meant serious vibration
(being a triple, the 120 deg. arrangement as with the BSA Rocket 3/Triumph
Trident would have been exceptionally smooth, but originally they opted for
180, which made it more like a 1.5 650 Bonnevilles and joined the ranks of
bikes whose components would vibrate loose and drop off or would fracture. A
year or two after my model they redesigned it to have a 120 deg. crank but
tamed it somewhat in the process and I wouldn't want one - whereas I feel
the 180 is a bike I should have again while I still can). Anyway, one time
the petrol tank vibrated through the stupidly routed wiring harness and
shorted out the power lead. Coming back (to Basingstoke) from London late
one night - alone, apart from my gf on the back - the bike died just south
of Blackbushe, on the A30. This is about midnight, December, nowhere near a
streetlight, effectively in the middle of nowhere (could have walked to
Hartley Wintney but nothing would have been open). First I had to figure out
what was wrong, in total darkness. You can figure a certain amount from e.g.
that the headlight is dead - which otherwise I'd have removed from the shell
and pointed at the bike so I could see something. As it was I had to do it
by feel. I seem to recall getting an inkling but as I couldn't see for
sure...so figured I better try to start the bike and if so, rev it to at
least 3500 to keep it running, jump on and get back home like the proverbial
bat! The Jota is a high compression 1000cc massively over-engineered motor
that even a brand new fully-charged battery struggles to turn. Naturally
there is no kickstart and for that even today I thank the FSM. So it was
bump it or walk. Wonder of wonders I did manage to bump it, and I doubt
anyone remained asleep in Hartley Wintney or Hook as we went through that
night (it is a very loud bike, exemplary of the Italian production racer put
on the road with the minimum of legal niceties).
I once got back (to Basingstoke) from Henley-in-Arden, just south of
Solihull, again at about midnight, along the old A34 (fabulous biking road!)
in driving rain, in about an hour (on the Jota). I forget whether I had
Pirelli Phantoms or Michelins - the former I think - but it also helps to
have Italian handling. But whichever it is a remarkeable feat, I think, if
you care to work out the average speed and bear in mind that the old A34 -
between Brum and Woodstock - is a wonderfully windy road going through the
likes of Stratford-Upon-Avon, Shipston-on-Stour and several small villages
and there is no way in hell I went through *those* at that average speed. I
set out - from my aunt and uncle's - intending to try not to drop below
90mph except where it was unavoidable. Incidentally, I was still courier-ing
(?) at the time. This was when I would over/undertake vehicles on the M25 by
squeezing between them at 125mph.
One time - on the Jota - I was stopped in Churchill Way, Basingstoke, having
been clocked at 90mph under the town centre and I genuinely had no idea I
was going that fast! Another time I got pulled heading out of the New Forest
towards Bournemouth under-taking (almost appropriate) a traffic jam. The
bike cop said I was going too fast for a reading - but as they knew I was
doing over 70...Amazingly I escaped automatic bans the entire two years of
courier-ing, though I did get to where one more speeding ticket and I would
have been banned. After I quit that career came time to take stock and I
found I couldn't justify riding like that, and stopped. On Ilkley Moor Bah
Tat! it was a thrill, but one lost to Evolution.
webster72n
2010-05-12 01:26:44 UTC
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Post by Smirnoff
Is there still a free version of an AV product that supports ME with
definition updates?
If so, would be grateful for a link.
This is 'Open Source' but fulfills your requirement:

http://files.uberdownloads.com/software/Moon-AntiVirus/Moon-Anti-Virus.html

You can always 'uninstall' if you don't like it.

Harry.
Smirnoff
2010-05-12 07:35:20 UTC
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Post by webster72n
Post by Smirnoff
Is there still a free version of an AV product that supports ME with
definition updates?
If so, would be grateful for a link.
http://files.uberdownloads.com/software/Moon-AntiVirus/Moon-Anti-Virus.html
You can always 'uninstall' if you don't like it.
Harry.
Will give it a go, thanks
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